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Moa Bird Cultist · Jul 19, 2007, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Ok then, so just what exactly is so bad about the previous preorder items. Apart from the fact they cant be modded? (Thats a dead issue now, Gaile and co are denying it even happened, but I digress, lets move on.)

Preorder Weapons so far:

Poisonous Dragon Fangs of Dagger Mastery
Damage: 7-17
15% In A Stance

Probably the worst of the pre-order weapons, some of the tyrian ones aside, but they were non max for a reason. Poisonous isn't honestly that great a mod for assassins, theyre much better off with zealous, vamp and elemental, just like all melee classes.

Insightful Spiritbinder
Energy +15
HSR: 20%
HCT: 10%

Pretty much the perfect catch-all caster staff. What's terribad about this? OK, no staff wrap, but that's not game breaking, and all the other stats are ideal for a generic staff.

Icy Soulbreaker of Enchanting
9-41 Cold Damage.
+15% While Enchanted.
Enchantments last 20% longer.

The only reason your average dervish will ever need a scythe besides this one is vanity. It is absolutely perfect for a dervish.

Fiery Sunspear of Shelter
14-27 Fire Damage
Energy +5
+7 vs Physical

It's an energy +5 spear. People that dont have the NF preorder pack that I know of would kill to get their hands on such a versatile tool.

Then the GWEN preorder stuff.

Glacial Blade's stats are a good thing. Not just conjure frost, but things like spinal shivers etc can be run off this. And +15% while enchanted is not a garbage mod. Seriously, I wonder if some people round here think that if they put an enchantment up, it'll get stripped straight away. Regardless, my only concern is that it's a reasonable size and not a tiny little thing like the forgotten sword. well, if it's forged by the norn, then i probably shouldn't worry.

Darksteel Longbow. I expect half of the people out there complaining that it's sundering are total and utter hypocrites. I'd take vamp over sundering any day of the week, but it's not bad per se, unlike a lot of the condition bowstrings, (only really decent one imo is silencing.) And +15/-5 happens to be one of my favorite mods. Also, pls to put on charr hero. Will look nice.

And lastly, a spiritbinder upgrade? sign me up!

On top of all of this, please note that we managed just fine before inscribable weapons. Funnily enough, I still use a lot of non-inscribable weapons. Being inscribable does not automatically make an item 10x better. That being said, stop dissing things that you're essentially being given for free. And one more thing, dont qq me on the technicality of whether it's free or not. It's plain to see exactly what I mean.

Side note: It's been mentioned before that eventually, inscribables will drop in all 3 campaigns. That would seem to imply GG max r7 items. Not a good thing imo, although, it'll make my one r7 that much more valuable if it does happen, heheheheheh...

lutz · Jul 19, 2007, 08:19 PM // 20:19

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Originally Posted by thral

1 question:
Why dont they ever make cool axes, i was like:"Hmm that sword can come in handy" then it struck me i never use swords, hate them with a passion. Axes FTW!!! Hoorah!!!

Stygian Reaver?

Anyways, that sword looks awesome; being enchanted is not hard requirement in PvE. In the end, Cold damage and Sundering won't make much of a difference overall; not a significant one, anyway.

reetkever · Jul 19, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

Collector's Weapons look fine to me... Especially the Sword... One of the better mods out there, imo.

Besides doing the usual stuff, try to make a build around the weapons, instead of getting weapons around the build. The 'perfect weapon' is different for everybody.

An invinci-monk finds a +5 energy axe/sword better than 15^50, which a damage warrior might prefer. DMG + 15% (While Enchanted) works very well in PvE. If you have 2 prot/ZB heroes, you'll see what I mean (I have about 2-3 enchantments on me all the time).

If they gave us Starter Machetes, I understood your point, but these weapons aren't useless. ^^

White knight lord · Jul 19, 2007, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Of course Anet cannot comply with eveyones needs but they could atleast give weapons in the preorder with versatile mods fgor everyones needs such as 15^50, 20/20sundering or 10/10 furious and +30 hp I mean the mods do the dmg not the art take a ele sword and a collectors sword...same mods 15^50, 20/20 ,and +30 hp, which would do the most dmg??? they are the same so all the r-tards that think the art does the dmg get some common sense I am going to get it fom the online store so i get the missions becaused my weapons are good as it is and id rather get the extra missions by buying GW:EN online then soem useless hero weapons I wont use so id rather get more for my money but that s just me these weapons are not all bad though because they do give the options for people that buy any campaign and the expansion then they would have weapons to start out with but thats only if they buy a campaign and pre-order the expansion pack but I don't think anyone would buy an expansion pack before buying the real game but that is just my thought ty Anet for the wepons but you sucked me into the online purchase with the ever more useful "new" mission that fill the gaps of the stories.

Thunder79 · Jul 19, 2007, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by White knight lord

Of course Anet cannot comply with eveyones needs but they could atleast give weapons in the preorder with versatile mods fgor everyones needs such as 15^50, 20/20sundering or 10/10 furious and +30 hp I mean the mods do the dmg not the art take a ele sword and a collectors sword...same mods 15^50, 20/20 ,and +30 hp, which would do the most dmg??? they are the same so all the r-tards that think the art does the dmg get some common sense I am going to get it fom the online store so i get the missions becaused my weapons are good as it is and id rather get the extra missions by buying GW:EN online then soem useless hero weapons I wont use so id rather get more for my money but that s just me these weapons are not all bad though because they do give the options for people that buy any campaign and the expansion then they would have weapons to start out with but thats only if they buy a campaign and pre-order the expansion pack but I don't think anyone would buy an expansion pack before buying the real game but that is just my thought ty Anet for the wepons but you sucked me into the online purchase with the ever more useful "new" mission that fill the gaps of the stories.

perhaps they should punctuation in the preorder pack too...

You started off good, but then it went all to crap.

Antithesis · Jul 20, 2007, 12:15 AM // 00:15

I personally wouldn't run any pre-order items on my own toons, but they come in very handy when you've got dozens of heroes to equip.

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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

Glacial Blade's stats are a good thing. Not just conjure frost, but things like spinal shivers etc can be run off this.

Exactly how i plan to use it. Love to see water magic receive an AoE offensive boost while they're at it....Hailstorm anyone? Thunderstorm for Air?

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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

Darksteel Longbow...

Don't really care about this one, i'd prefer zealous so heroes can better manage their energy.

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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

And lastly, a spiritbinder upgrade? sign me up!

Fire damage FTW. Better synergy with a Mark of Rodgort team.

[off-topic] What i'm most interested in is the apparent ability (judging by the videos released) in GW:EN to swap control between your toon and heroes in your party. For example, you could setup your Warrior with a Dragon Slash build which the AI runs pretty well and take direct control of one of your heroes instead to make them run the bar properly while your toon becomes an automaton. I could be completely wrong but that seemed to be the case, unless it's a dev debug tool like the god-mode they're using. I guess we'll know soon enough

Spazzer · Jul 20, 2007, 12:31 AM // 00:31

This will be the first time they've offered Americans a sword in a bonus pack iirc. I'm pretty excited.

The skins on all 3 items are VERY keen.

White knight lord · Jul 20, 2007, 01:45 AM // 01:45

lol, its sad you are caring but spelling sad but thx for he compliment..and the sword is well not the best just a blue Katana which is not all spectacular but that is my opinion

Thunder79 · Jul 20, 2007, 02:30 AM // 02:30

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

[off-topic] What i'm most interested in is the apparent ability (judging by the videos released) in GW:EN to swap control between your toon and heroes in your party. For example, you could setup your Warrior with a Dragon Slash build which the AI runs pretty well and take direct control of one of your heroes instead to make them run the bar properly while your toon becomes an automaton. I could be completely wrong but that seemed to be the case, unless it's a dev debug tool like the god-mode they're using. I guess we'll know soon enough

I believe that ability was a dev ability...just like the skill for 999 health

I could be wrong, but I doubt I am. I just don't see any reason why they would introduce that. It's not like people have been asking for that ability.

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lol, its sad you are caring but spelling sad but thx for he compliment..and the sword is well not the best just a blue Katana which is not all spectacular but that is my opinion

I can't stand people who won't show enough respect to their fellow posters to at least form a coherent sentence with at least half-way decent punctuation. You'll rarely see a post of mine that hasn't been edited. That is due to the fact that I re-read my posts to make sure they are at least readable. I take the "would I want to read this" attitude toward my posting. I ask that you do the same. I rarely post asking people to spell better or use better punctuation...you are an exception. I wouldn't have commented but it was annoying reading that 6 line run-on sentence.

As for the sword...if it has the sheen that the pictures have then it'll look cool. If not then I'm afraid that it won't be much more than a blue Katana.

Antithesis · Jul 20, 2007, 05:21 AM // 05:21

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Originally Posted by Thunder79

I believe that ability was a dev ability...just like the skill for 999 health

I could be wrong, but I doubt I am. I just don't see any reason why they would introduce that. It's not like people have been asking for that ability.

Yeah i think that'll be the case. How sweet would it be to use your other toons as heroes / henchies and swap between the ones you wanted to control...to dreeeeam the impossible dreeeeam....

Won't happen but it would certainly breathe some life into the game for me. I dread the thought of grinding through the game again and again just to get to good farming spots.

Apologies for the interlude.

White knight lord · Jul 20, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

[Off-topic]~
Well take a break...simple as that, just because I don't care for punctuation and corrent grammer doesn't mean the world is comming to an end and on that I say get over it, people understand what I mean SO tough if you really hate it take a permanet pen and fix the errors on your screen. Thank you for your time

[On-Topic]~
Controling the heros as your own char would be...interesting, I don't think Anet will do that becuase it doesn't seem like them to do such a thing, but what do I know im not on the designing teams or prduction groups, but would be very interesting if they did.

-Loki- · Jul 20, 2007, 06:28 AM // 06:28

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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

Poisonous Dragon Fangs of Dagger Mastery
Damage: 7-17
15% In A Stance

Probably the worst of the pre-order weapons, some of the tyrian ones aside, but they were non max for a reason. Poisonous isn't honestly that great a mod for assassins, theyre much better off with zealous, vamp and elemental, just like all melee classes.

15 while enchanted, actually. Which isn't all that bad in PvE, considering how good some assassin enchantments are in PvE, especially now with Critical Agility. If only the mods could be swapped out.

zwei2stein · Jul 20, 2007, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by Moa Bird Cultist

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Icy Soulbreaker of Enchanting
The only reason your average dervish will ever need a scythe besides this one is vanity. It is absolutely perfect for a dervish.

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It's an energy +5 spear. People that dont have the NF preorder pack that I know of would kill to get their hands on such a versatile tool.
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And +15% while enchanted is not a garbage mod. Seriously, I wonder if some people round here think that if they put an enchantment up, it'll get stripped straight away.

- Most dervishes prefer Fortitude (Victorious line of attacks)/Armor suffixes. And icy prefix leaves a lot to be disired too (Ebon is the one to aim for, but dervish should have lot more, including cripling prefix) Soublreaker is just cheap ptemp weapon untill you are able to get really good one.

- +5e spear is fine, but hmm, what would you use it for with those other mods?. Giving it to casters is unjustifiable (it lacks +HP / + generic armor or Echanting suffix) and giving it to paragon ... +5e looks fine, but you want damage mod as paragon. And there is this thing of bad suffix.

- Is not that your enchant gets stripped, its because you have to get enchant in first place, making you either put it in your build or depend on allies. You see, enchanting is burden and requires strategy change to use, good old 15^50 requires nothing special to work.

ofc, any of theese are better to give to heroes than their starter weapons, but still, you have work to do if you want them really effective. Prime example is spiritbinder - you want to get stafrf with matching attribute anyway even with hourglass staff out there as you for sure can use better suffix.

Spazzer · Jul 20, 2007, 07:42 AM // 07:42

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

- Most dervishes prefer Fortitude (Victorious line of attacks)/Armor suffixes.

Not true.

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ryanryanryan0310 · Jul 20, 2007, 08:08 AM // 08:08

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

- Most dervishes prefer Fortitude (Victorious line of attacks)/Armor suffixes. And icy prefix leaves a lot to be disired too (Ebon is the one to aim for, but dervish should have lot more, including cripling prefix) Soublreaker is just cheap ptemp weapon untill you are able to get really good one.

- +5e spear is fine, but hmm, what would you use it for with those other mods?. Giving it to casters is unjustifiable (it lacks +HP / + generic armor or Echanting suffix) and giving it to paragon ... +5e looks fine, but you want damage mod as paragon. And there is this thing of bad suffix.

- Is not that your enchant gets stripped, its because you have to get enchant in first place, making you either put it in your build or depend on allies. You see, enchanting is burden and requires strategy change to use, good old 15^50 requires nothing special to work.

ofc, any of theese are better to give to heroes than their starter weapons, but still, you have work to do if you want them really effective. Prime example is spiritbinder - you want to get stafrf with matching attribute anyway even with hourglass staff out there as you for sure can use better suffix.

Don't 1000% of Dervishes builts contain 2+ enchantments......and 20% enchantmets mods are most wanted by players. Fortitude is just for degen and a good +5 defense always is good.

The +5 spear is just too leet.....

If people don't like the pre-order items, maybe they shouldn't order the per-order package.

Pwny Ride · Jul 20, 2007, 10:35 AM // 10:35

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Originally Posted by GloryFox

Well obviously the preorder items and GOTY items from other Previous GW products were not enough because they added new preorder items for those classes. How about the coke, Korean, and Japan preorder items? Were those enough? Obviously not and for the same reasons.

So why not Assassin Dervish and Paragon items. Besides people with those classes who might not have pre order items (purchased later) are left out.

So what use would a spear or a pair of daggers be to someone who only owns prophecies? Assassin, Paragon, Dervish and Ritualists arent core professions, which is why they dont have pre-order weapons for GW:EN.

cyberjanet · Jul 20, 2007, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by Selket

Because skin is more important than stats?

lollll

Someone else who puts their faith in collector weapons, I see.
One day I must look at their skins. For the moment, just GIMME THE STATS!!!

I'm still wondering what to do with a sundering longbow of negative energy.

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Originally Posted by ryanryanryan0310

If people don't like the pre-order items, maybe they shouldn't order the per-order package.

Yeah, that's why I haven't done it yet. Just what AM I going to do with a sundering longbow of negative energy? The staff isn't bad, and I guess there's always the delete bin.

Still thinking about this. Think. Think.

Lonesamurai · Jul 20, 2007, 11:49 AM // 11:49

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Originally Posted by cyberjanet

Someone else who puts their faith in collector weapons, I see.
One day I must look at their skins. For the moment, just GIMME THE STATS!!!

I'm still wondering what to do with a sundering longbow of negative energy.

Yeah, that's why I haven't done it yet. Just what AM I going to do with a sundering longbow of negative energy? The staff isn't bad, and I guess there's always the delete bin.

Still thinking about this. Think. Think.

Forgetting the weapons, as they aren't the only thing in the preorder, what about access to the sneak peak weekend so you can decide if you want to actually buy the expansion pack?

Miral · Jul 20, 2007, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

So what use would a spear or a pair of daggers be to someone who only owns prophecies? Assassin, Paragon, Dervish and Ritualists arent core professions, which is why they dont have pre-order weapons for GW:EN.

except that ritualists do...

anyways my answer to your question is, the same use a staff would be to a swords warrior. or the same use a sword will be to an assassin or dervish or paragon... making a specific class is as much a choice as buying a specific campaign is.

Chieftain Heavyhand · Jul 20, 2007, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by Robin_Anadri

Bonus items won't spawn in pre.

Hate to bust your bubble but they do. My Premapre is toting the Bonus spear from Nightfalls prerelease.